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Poster: MrMovie Date: Apr 27, 2005 11:32am
Forum: prelinger Subject: Two Of MGMs Are PD

I don't think this is a big secret, but perhaps some out here may not know that two MGM musicals, "Till The Clouds Roll By" and "Royal Wedding" are both in the Public Domain. "Till The Clouds Roll By" fell into the PD in 1974. Chances are that two-thirds of those "One-Reel Wonders" run on TCM are also in Public Domain because they were not even re-discovered until after Ted Turner bought out the MGM Library and found them sitting in rusty cans in an abandond Nevada salt mine. It would be hard to fathom that MGM (especially during it's financial collapse) kept tabs on all those ancient "One-Reel-Wonders" and renewed the copyrights. Would be interesting research if someone had the time to do it -- which would probably take the remainder of their natural life because there are 1000s of those MGM short-subject films.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Apr 27, 2005 11:43pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: Two Of MGMs Are PD

"Royal Wedding" are both in the Public Domain

I'm no PD expert, but if that's true of Royal Wedding, then "Second Chorus" could be PD as well. I have these two as a double-pack VCR box set both as really bad prints from Madacy Video, Quebec.

Second Chorus is IMO one of Astaire's worst films but the electrifying Artie Shaw music of the opening credits makes it a keeper for me!

BTW my idea of heaven is a place where the TV can only play TCM (and well, maybe the Weather Channel if only it had no commercials. ;) ) Hats off to Ted!

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-04-28 06:43:17

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Poster: MrMovie Date: Apr 28, 2005 2:02am
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: Two Of MGMs Are PD

"Royal Wedding" is absolutely in PD. which explains your reported quality on the tapes you have. As for the other Astaire film you mentioned, I have no clue as to the status of that particular film. TCM is perhaps the best thing that ever happened as an outlet for classic films. Fox Moive Channel, just in the past six or seven months has also been doing some digging into it's treasure trove of oldies and has been showing quite a few. They are not run frequently but if you check their schedule, you'll see more than a handful of Fox Classics showing up on their monthly schedule. I've even written to FOX in an attempt for them to dig up a film that I've not seen in decades. The film stars Tyrone Power and Anne Blythe and is called "I'll Never Forget You" which was a remake of "Berkley Square." The film starts out in black & white and switches to brilliant technocolor which is only one of the many great effects in this fantasy classic. I'm positive that "Somewhere In Time" was loosely based on "I'll Never Forget You." Why this Fox film has vanished off the face of the planet is unexplainable. I also agree with you that The Weather Channel has way too many commercials! LOL

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffakb Date: May 1, 2005 3:40am
Forum: prelinger Subject: ask and you shall ...

... receive.

A friend borrowed my "Royal Wedding" disc, hopefully I'll get it back soon so I can upload it.

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Poster: Chris Rowell Date: May 3, 2005 11:58pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: Two Of MGMs Are PD

Interesting info, thanks!

As a Sinatra fan, "Till the Clouds" contains one of his most impressive performances.


I "Till The Clouds" and Royal Wedding" are PD, does that make it less likely that Warners will release a decent dvds of them?


It's depressing the way these rinky-dink companies trot out these dollar-store-quality dvds.


Fascinating. How did you hear about Turner's Nevada salt-mine discovery? That's amazing.

All The Best,